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Lance Corporal James Bateman	I just hope that people realise that you lost your life defending the cause that you believed in. One of many Para's who lost their life in defence of ours. RIP.

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		SaleoftheCentury on Tue 17 June 2008 said... I thought soldiers were supposed to get shot at
		PennyCentury on Tue 17 June 2008 said... That doesn't really make them any less heroic though, does it Rupert?
		BlartMonster on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Sale you are one stupid cunt. Fucking student
		HeroicDose on Tue 17 June 2008 said... "One of many Paras who lost their life in defence of ours". No, we don't live in Afghanistan so he wasn't defending us. And don't give me that wider terrorism bullshit argument. Total waste of a life.
		BlartMonster on Tue 17 June 2008 said... So who do you want then as a hero, HD? Some 2 bit fucking actor or muso who gets about as brave as opening a bottle of JD? Easy sitting in your suburbia bedroom typing your bollocks. I'm no fan of whats happening in Stan or Iraq but a regime which stopped women from having access to education or decent work, or executed people simply for having an item of Western subversive material (Coke tin, Man Utd t-shirt, take your pick) deserved to be hoofed out. Mind you the yanks fucked it all up good and proper
		kwebb on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Private Jeff Doherty was killed too in the same incident.
		SaleoftheCentury on Tue 17 June 2008 said... I would have thought that if you willingly allowing yourself to get shot at it makes you rather more stupid than heroic. And please don't tell me that all squaddies join up with some defense of the realm mentality, because that is complete and utter bollocks.
		HeroicDose on Tue 17 June 2008 said... No Blart, the regime is utterly cuntish beyond all belief but it's still fuck all to do with the US or the UK. And it's just made them hate us more. Mind you, the Man Utd shirt...
		HeroicDose on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Are we invading China next because of their horrific human rights record? Didn't think so.
		Wankhand on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Er, he joined up voluntarily, he knew the risks, he was killed. If I decide to walk home from the pub on a friday night there is risk involved. If I get 'shanked' by some hoodie tosser does that make me a hero? Does it fuck. He wasn't defending us at all. He was doing a job. And 'defending the cause you believe in' ?? A very large number of squaddies over there don't see it a 'just cause' at all. They just want to get home.
		HeroicDose on Tue 17 June 2008 said... I have a sneaking suspicion that the OP wants some angry rants on here...
		SaleoftheCentury on Tue 17 June 2008 said... And whilst I am on the subject because this honouring of soldiers really fucking annoys me, millions of people die every day, millions of families lose parents every single day but we are expected to fucking honour squaddies every time one of them gets killed. Get some perspective
		carter on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Must agree with HeroicDose. Whilst I can appreciate the bravery,he and others like him were not defending "our" lives by being in Afghanistan. We are not at war with Afghanistan....Afghanistan are not attacking "us"......the wider terrorism/axis of evil argument does NOT hold water. These lads are just cannon fodder and are being sacrificed for the machinations of global politics and multinational commerce.
		PennyCentury on Tue 17 June 2008 said... SOTC, you say 'stupid' I say 'heroic', each to their own. And I do know people who joined up exactly because of a 'defence of the realm' mentality, you might not like it or believe it but that doesn't make it bollocks. And lastly, no one is expecting you to honour anyone, it's not obligatory. Stop kicking against things which simply are not there.
		HeroicDose on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Brave and dedicated, absolutely. Hero? Just can't agree. Jumping into a raging torrent to save a drowning child would be a closer candidate. So that's Community Support Officers out then, couldn't manage a pond.
		PennyCentury on Tue 17 June 2008 said... If you are defining heroism as putting oneself in danger for the protection of others then the Paras fill that criteria for me. Every fucking time.
		ahknowme on Tue 17 June 2008 said... It's all a load of bollocks anyway.
		HeroicDose on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Penny, guessing you have never been in a bar at the same time as a load of pissed up Paras, trying to buy drugs and starting fights with anyone who looks at them. Ahhh, the good old days of Ulster in the 80s. Takes me back.
		ahknowme on Tue 17 June 2008 said... I blame testosterone.
		ahknowme on Tue 17 June 2008 said... The troublemaking powercrazed little shitter.
		PennyCentury on Tue 17 June 2008 said... You guess wrong, HD. I witnessed a fucking horrific fight between a Para and an off duty copper in a pub I used to work in. I didn't say they weren't all psychopathic cunts!
		catfood on Tue 17 June 2008 said... mmm thats right sale, you tell em - of course when one of our brave lads form the 101st Keyboard Warriors falls in combat we'll have to have a national day of mourning. A young man died, he happened to be a soldier doing his job. That is tragic enough, heroism is a bit wasted on the dead.
		HeroicDose on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Penny, now that's entertainment. If only they'd had youtube in those days.
		SaleoftheCentury on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Most squaddies are sycopathic cunts though
		HeroicDose on Tue 17 June 2008 said... DickyM, we shall remember him.
		PennyCentury on Tue 17 June 2008 said... HD, haha, yes I can see how that incident would be killing two birds with one stone for some people.
		SpackoMcDribble on Tue 17 June 2008 said... his brother Patrick was a bit of a cunt though
		ahknowme on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Wasn't it all in Patrick's mind?
		fuckwit on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Sanctimonious twaddle
		HeroicDose on Tue 17 June 2008 said... That's a good name for a boat, Fuckwit.
		libertyvalance2008 on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Thank you HD. I suspect that the majority of soldiers are only too ready to come back to the UK or Germany where they can happily fuck/drink/fight their evenings away. It isnt just paras either, any bunch of squaddies together will usually wreck a bar.
		RightRoyalBastard on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Too true Dicky. But having said that they will always do the job in front of them, including going and getting shot at and blown up by your friendly neighbourhood extremist. I don't know they circumstances of this particular fellas death so can't judge. Are some squaddies heroes? Undoubtedly. Are others unstable individuals who could benefit the world by leaving it? Of course. You simply can't judge them as a whole. Paras, including the Bastard's half brother, are pretty hardcore it's true. But then they have been trained to jump out of a perfectly serviceable aircraft with only the equipment they can carry and walk up to often numerically superior, better supplied enemies and give them a thorough kicking. RIP indeed for the fallen soldier, hero or not....Fuck me that was a bit deep, think I need a sit down now.
		HeroicDose on Tue 17 June 2008 said... I imagine that the Taliban fighters are considered 'heroes' by their people too. As catfood said, it doesn't make much difference when you are dead. RIP Bateman.
		SaleoftheCentury on Tue 17 June 2008 said... RIP my arse. I somehow think that if God does exist (and there is no evidence to suggest that he does mind you) the last person that he will be letting into heaven is some gun crazed, legally' murdering lunatic who goes around killing because someone tells him to
		HeroicDose on Tue 17 June 2008 said... I think the bouncers at the Gates enforce a no steel toe caps policy anyway.
		RightRoyalBastard on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Sale, "gun crazed, legally' murdering lunatic"? Surely you can't think St Peter will let George dubya kill 'em! kill 'em all! Bush through the pearly gates? If, indeed, such gates exist. Dose, that's very true. No Ben Sherman shirts and chinos either...
		BastardoIsAStupidCunt on Tue 17 June 2008 said... SaleoftheCentury - you complete cunt - once again trying to get a reaction by being a complete arse. Jay Bateman happened to be one of my neighbours. As someone who has lived in Colchester all my life I am fully aware that the Para's have a name for kicking off in pubs. So would you if you had seen men, women and children shot at, blown up, raped, and mutilated. Or thinking you were being shot at when a car back-fired. Yes he volunteered. He volunteered to protect and defend his Queen and country. Whether you believe the war is right or wrong, the fact is that he did what he was told to do without argument. It’s OK for you to try and be a clever cunt sitting behind your desk in your air-conditioned office though, isn’t it? This man died defending me, you and everyone else on this poxy little island. Just because the war is being fought in another country doesn’t make it any less serious - and what these men have given up for us makes him much braver then you would ever hope to experience. Just spare a thought for his wife and family and try to show at least a tiny bit of respect. This country is in the mess it is just because of people like you. I just hope it’s not one of your family members maimed or even killed in the next terrorist attack – I wonder how you would feel then you selfish, cock-sucking, little prick.
		UncleBullshit on Tue 17 June 2008 said... It'd seem a bit churlish to say "quim" at this point. So I won't.
		Frowsy on Tue 17 June 2008 said... It is tragic this guy was killed, and I'm sure we all feel for his family. But you are wrong Bastardblahblah - he did not die defending us. HD is entirely correct vis China, we're not out there are we. The war is a) retaliation for the actions of a couple of nutters (an eye for an eye) and b) Oil, Power, Religion etc. And I was on the Picadilly train that was bombed and lost my hearing for a while so I know what it's like to "see men, women and children blown up and mutilated. Or thinking I were being blown up at when a car back-fired" only difference is is wasn't paid for it
		HeroicDose on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Was that a suppressed quimper there, Unc? Good to know that while we are in the middle of a terrorist attack that our Paras are across the world riddling Johnny F with bullets and being blown away in return. That'll sort it.
		jacobsdad on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Yeah Frowsy, but you're not dead and no doubt got some financial compensation for it...
		HeroicDose on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Just a quick point, why do the government compensate people in the event of a terrorist attack? Are they responsible? Don't answer that.
		Frowsy on Tue 17 June 2008 said... No mate - it cost me; had to take 3 months off work and was self employed at the time - because I got my hearing back i was awarded £3,300 - so one months earnings. Victims also had to set up their own support group as the government couldn't be bothered. And it's not like there is no financial compensation for being killed/injured in action is there??
		jacobsdad on Tue 17 June 2008 said... I'm sorry to hear that frowsy (no pun intended). But compensation is no good to a dead soilder, is it.
		Frowsy on Tue 17 June 2008 said... too true Jacobsdad - just highlights the pointlessness of it all really
		Frowsy on Tue 17 June 2008 said... looks for toffee hammer
		catfood on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Fuck me biasc - do you seriously believe half of that self righteous, ill informed twaddle you wrote up there? and as someone whos lived in the untamed wilds of Colchester your whole life, you're clearly in a position to be rendering your piss weak opinions on life for a member of the armed forces in a combat situation. you're as much an armchair toughguy as sale.
		BastardoIsAStupidCunt on Tue 17 June 2008 said... As someone who's father and half of his family served in the army, yes catfood, I do. There's nothing self-rightous about it at all.
		catfood on Tue 17 June 2008 said... ok so that's yer dad and some other people you know...
		SaleoftheCentury on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Hey BIASC (anagram of basic, how appropriate....) what are you on abouit he died protecting and defending Queen and country I thought that we were booted out of Afghanistan a 150 years ago. I'm sorry basic but I really didn't realise it was still part of our glorious British empire. I will apologise as well because obviously when they have had a tough tour of duty blowing up, raping and mutilitating men, women and children it is only right that they should be allowed a bit of R&R when they get home to Colchester and kick the fuck out of anyone who looks at them funny like. Sorry about your mate as well but maybe you can join up, go on Basic and avenge him and his family, do it for his Queen and his country you stupid little fuckwit
		jacobsdad on Tue 17 June 2008 said... and your point?
		Spendog on Tue 17 June 2008 said... I new the guy as a kid. Really nice family and his brother was one of my best friends growing up in Laleham. It is really weird seeing his picture in the papers and on the news and being flooded by childhood memories as the situation hits home. Some people serve their country because they see it as worth while. Some people don't. It doesn't make anyone better or worse for it. It is just so very sad that a life was cut so short thousands of miles away from home.
		tigertim on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Fucking hell, did the Daily Mail link to this post? Defending our cunting Queen and country! Fighting for money and you might get killed, you sign up for that, it is sad when someone dies but... You also know now when you sign up that you will be fighting to earn other people/goverments/corporates stupid amounts of money and morale high ground will be hard to find. Join the UN peace keeping in Darfur because you care about in justice if you want to help the world, not our government's personal oil protector force. P.S I couldn't give a fuck if I have spelt something wrong or used bad grammar.
		RonPalmer on Tue 17 June 2008 said... I'm not sure I like the sound of squaddies 'believing in causes' - shouldn't they just shoot who they're told to, right or wrong.
		libertyvalance2008 on Tue 17 June 2008 said... men, women and children shot at, blown up, raped, and mutilated...........fair enough but the most trouble in garrison towns is caused by soldiers just out of training who havent seen or done anything yet
		Wankhand on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Yawn... this is getting tedious now. If you really care about it all, join up and go and kill brown people. If not then go to the pub or something.
		dirtysteve on Tue 17 June 2008 said... I want to be the first kid on imy block to get a confirmed kill.
		Hillbilly on Tue 17 June 2008 said... It was in fact 5 dead soldiers that were flown back to RAF Lyneham yesterday from Afghanistan and I for one have the utmost respect for each of those men. In fact alot of people join the army just because they want a job.
		RightRoyalBastard on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Steve, great film. I'll see yours and raise you a "I bet you could suck a golf ball through a garden hose..."
		stun on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Hilarious. Sale of the Cuntery getting it all so very right again, with her astute observations and ascerbic wit. I'll put a pound a pinch of shit she knows fuck all about the Armed Forces, their structure, their mission or their rules of engagement. It's simple for her (as most things are); they are all marauding, murdering thugs who take enormous pleasure from death and destruction. There's no deep examinatio of circumstance, no adult disection of logic. Just a giant brainfart of fucked-up polemic, straight from the mind of a sub-normal shitstreak who, let's face it, is possibly a desperate loner and the HM boards are all she has. Tell you what, cuntoid (and any of you other slimy excuses for humans who decry the AF's efforts out east) ... I do genuinely know of a few pipe-packing Paratroopers and Royal Marines who would be seriously interested in your point of view and opinions. If you were that convicted and committed to them, go talk to them outside one or two of the barracks we have in Colchester or Lympstone. They'd be dead pleased to know you expect them to be killed and that their job is a worthless waste of time. There is a the difference between you shower of cockends and them - they have the strength and courage to put their money where their mouths are and do a job (however distasteful and politically questionable) and the rest who sit and listen to their blancmangey colleagues in the great refrectories of the world who couldn't muster a decent shit if their lives depended upon it. The whole planet knows what a fuck up the middle east is ... even those pulling on their kevlar tonight to go out on patrol ... but the worst part about it is that we have people like Stale of the Cuntoid who have no idea about it and believe their freedom of opinion comes without a price. Shame on you fuckers. Please pray you are not within the blast radius of the next terrorist bomb, or that when the firemen fuck off out on strike the next time they decide they want a pay rise for six months work and you chimps set fire to your Housing Association tenement that someone out there in DPM95 can be arsed to bale you out.
		SaleoftheCentury on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Oh..... hello Stunted, still got nothing new to add I see? Take care angry little man xx
		libertyvalance2008 on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Is Sale a lady ? Now I can get hard to her rants and not feel gay
		stun on Tue 17 June 2008 said... No, not quite. It is you who are all wind and piss. Like I say, I can put you in touch with colleagues if you want. Money where your mouth is ... you fucking coward. Your call. Or, alternatively, you can do what you always do and shelter cosily behind your internet anonymity, safe in the knowledege that the comfort it brings means you can spout horseshit and not have to reasonably engage that dormant, smooth organ parked under that shit-thick, malformed melon of yours. People like you give every reason to servicemen rampaging through market towns. I pray to god that one day you'll open your fat trap within earshot of a veteran and you'll recieve the good hiding you deserve. As before, film it and post it up, eh?
		stun on Tue 17 June 2008 said... liberty - Stale posted up a hilarious (if somewhat disturbing) photgraph of her holding some sort of weak, year 9 insult aimed at me, which thankfully hid her hideous dish from the poor general public. It appeared to have beem taken in her dismal little hovel, and one would assume by the fact that she appeared naked behind the message (which is enough to induce watery vomit to fill anyone's mouth) the general shape of it's body leads one to assume that she is either a snatch-chomping lorry-dyke, or some sort of transformation he-to-she experiment, the final instalment of which is being saved for with Co-Op stamps and benefits. So, for brevity of content, let's assume Stale is a 'she', shall we?
		Geushky on Tue 17 June 2008 said... With or without a quim?
		stun on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Without, as yet. My guess is that the twig and berries are still there, but tucked under in some sort of vile 'Jame Gumm' style ' ... it put's the lotion on it's skin, or else it gets the hose again ... ' thang. You get the idea. It's all sorts of wrong.
		libertyvalance2008 on Tue 17 June 2008 said... I do like you to stun
		libertyvalance2008 on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Wheres this photo then, now its just some bloke pointing
		SaleoftheCentury on Tue 17 June 2008 said... You spend an inordinate amount of time talking about how I look and picturing my cock Stunted ;) xx
		MrBeefy on Tue 17 June 2008 said... The people who fight for our country ARE heroes, no matter what the cause. While they are the instrument of the politicians who are mostly cunts, we shouldn't forget that these people put themselves in harms way. We would be royally fucked if they weren't there. End of (as far as I am concerned).
		Frowsy on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Stun, amusing though you usually are, i take issue with a couple of points: "they have the strength and courage to put their money where their mouths are and do a job (however distasteful and politically questionable)" like bailiffs then... "People like you give every reason to servicemen rampaging through market towns." + "believe their freedom of opinion comes without a price" = hypocracy ... and if these guys had signed up due to there being a 'clear and present danger' to the UK (i.e. WW1, WW2) then fair enough; threy didn't, they took a job with huge risk associated and were paid for said job - not hero's, no sympathy
		Geushky on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Some of these responses are fucking shameful.
		stun on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Frowsy - au contraire: Firstly, Stale isn't criticising bailiffs, is 'she'? Secondly, Stale's misguided assumptions that all servicemen are prone to rampage through towns raping, shooting and pillaging is a tad short-sighted, being as we have many un-uniformed youngsters already prone to do that anyway. Aligning it with hypocrisy is stretching the imagination slightly, wouldn't you think? Servicemen sign up, willing to place themselves in the line of fire to protect the freedoms we have been used to for the past sixty-or-so-years. Just because we had a protracted stand-off with the Warsaw Pact and then much of nothing until 9/11 doesn't mean that someone, somewhere wasn't looking at our Western values and capitalist system with envious eyes and thinking, ;I'll have some of that.' Be it littoral piracy, a Balkan dust-off between former states or the repatriation of distant South Atlantic Islands, our people in uniform have been taking rounds for you cunts every year since Hitler shot himself (with the exception of 1968) ... so think on, eh? Your definition of 'Clear and Present Danger' must be backed up by some fucking awesome intelligence ... let's see the proof of this, please. And for your information, I doubt there are any servicemen who are unaware of their risk assessment balanced against their wage. I guess that is what separates them (i.e. those who come back with crippling injuries and debilitations) as heroes, and you, who obviously know fuck all about fuck all and could do with a four monther out there yourself, to scrape the fucking scales from your eyes.
		sirclivesinclair on Tue 17 June 2008 said... fucking taliban cunts.
		stun on Tue 17 June 2008 said... "You spend an inordinate amount of time talking about how I look and picturing my cock Stunted ;) xx" And you spend an inordinate amount of time on here making yourself look a right fucking cunt, Stale. No kisses, mind. It aint normal to kiss chicks who were once blokes.
		joylove on Tue 17 June 2008 said... ROFL @ "snatch-chomping lorry-dyke"
		MrPickles on Tue 17 June 2008 said... All soldiers are murderers of innocent men, women and children....."Waste of a life"....Bollocks....they choose their profession
		stun on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Indeed, Pickles. And given they spend their lives ducking Ak47 rounds and getting mortared to death, blown to fuck by IEDs and other such tomfoolery, you'd probably agree it was a noble choice, given they could spend their waking hours fucking a handful of their own shit, browsing the internet for donkeyporn and stuffing lard into their fat gobs whilst mainlining taxpayers money into their grabtastic selves. Like you, for example.
		BastardoIsAStupidCunt on Tue 17 June 2008 said... Stun, excellent. Just proves what a fucking nancy boy SOTC is. The typical tory boy lets go against the grain for a response twat that he is. RIP Jay. R.I.P.
		MrPickles on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Donkeyporn, Lard and Taxpayers Money....you are such a cunt, it was his choice to join the army, he got shot, boohoo...another dead soldier (moron) so while your ranting away, making assumptions about the people who havent shot little brown people or bombed a village of 'towelheads'....remember that your defending a murderer, so keep your half arsed rants to yourself and fuck off back to your tabloid, you dickhead.
		stun on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Pickles. Why not uncork your daft schwad from your well-fucked farter and jack in the fluttering heart of the liberal (with a small 'l') horsecrap, huh? No-one is impressed, least of all the victims of fundamentalism which haunt the badlands of Afghanistan. If its your way to license people being brutalised for their will to live as they want, for the female victims of the Taliban to perpetuate their rather distasteful existence, for the petty criminals to have their hands and feet hacked off, for the Koran to be adulterated into any such form as it suits the barbarity that the Taliban wanted, then I'm sure we'll just pull the fuck out, and let the fuckers back in. It may have escaped your low-trajectory thinking, but all forces out there are under 'Rules of Engagement' and your lillywhite mewling about bombed villages, slaughtered children, napalmed babies or any other non-event your over-active acorn can dream up and get excited about is a pretty fucking rare event, compared directly with the widespread genocide meted out by previous 'administrations'. You really do need to get your wanking spanners off that playstation controller and round the luxuriant feelings of a good book now and again, even if it is to stop you from making such crass assumptions and pigeonholing yourself with that other fuckwit as the Laurel and Hardy of Holy Moly. Like I said to that Nimitz-Class cockend, I'd have a smidge of respect for the likes of you if you had the cahunas to spout your shitstopping banality to the facs of soldiers, sailors and airmen just back from the sandpit, or did yourself a fucking favour and went out there yourself for a spell. It could change your miniscule perspective, believe me. Either that, or some 'towelhead' (as you put it) might slot you and do the planet a fucking favour.
		BustySinclair on Wed 18 June 2008 said... wanders in, see's what's going on, tiptoes out quietly
		SaleoftheCentury on Wed 18 June 2008 said... What do you do Stun, lay out your copies of the Commando comics, the World at War and the works of Andy McNab, get down on your knees and wank over them? You are really dull Stun.
		Geushky on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Cock.
		catfood on Wed 18 June 2008 said... whilst i realise this thread is now over, i was curious as to whether any of you have any actual, first hand experience of military life? and no im not counting your mate dave down the pub or your uncle who likes to play pony with you even tho you are in your early thirties.
		BlartMonster on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Sale you are a prize cunt at the best of times but you have fucking excelled here. A keyboard warrior of the worst fucking type
		TheDuke on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Utter bollocks. Mindless fucking patriotism.
		catfood on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Whilst i agree blart, there seems to be a lot of internet tough guyery going on here these past few days, what with stun upping the ante with his 'my mates down the pub would like a word with you' threats by proxy antics, hence my earlier question.
		jacobsdad on Wed 18 June 2008 said... I think what Sale meant to say there was "I've been done again Stun". Your a twat of epic proportions Sale, you really showed us that quite nicely here...
		Geushky on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Catfood: I served 24-years in the Royal Marines; which is why some of the responses particularly sadden me.
		SaleoftheCentury on Wed 18 June 2008 said... I, like most, have never been in the army and that is why some of the reponses particularly sadden me. Why should I blindly support something or someone just because they are British? Geushky, fair enough, you talk from personal experience, and I really do respect that but the rest of the brainwashed idiots can seriously fuck off
		catfood on Wed 18 June 2008 said... i see sale, and upon what exactly do you base your assumption that a large majority of people that serve in this, or any other countries armed forces for that matter, are brainwashed idiots? i'll wager you've not come accross anyone that has served other than geushky here and myself for that matter, although i was conscripted so i guess that means i can doubly fuck off, seriously.
		SaleoftheCentury on Wed 18 June 2008 said... no catfood i didn't say that, what i did say is that people who blindly support an organisation just because they are British, they can fuck off. I am not, or will ever, support the British army, just because they are British and I do not think that the death of a soldier, in Afghanistan or Iraq, or wherever, should have more imprtance than the death of any other father, husband lover etc. And I know nothing about conscription, but the soldiers who died weren't conscripted
		PennyCentury on Wed 18 June 2008 said... And you are the arbiter of who is 'blindly supporting' and who is not are you?
		SaleoftheCentury on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Fair point.
		catfood on Wed 18 June 2008 said... fact is, it is entirely possible to treat those who serve with with repsect and still disagree with the people that put them in harms way, in a way you are no better than the brainwashed idiots you seem to be railing against who insist that in order to support our armed forces, whatever that actually means, you need to agree with the reason they have been deployed. Fact of the matter is, afghanistan was, and will continue to remain a cocking shithole with or without foreign milliatary intervention, and that's as a result of the show being lorded over by real brainwashed idiots who don't think twice about blowing themselves to smithereens because they've been told it's what thier tragic, medievalist desert death cult supreme monkey in the sky wants them to do.
		HeroicDose on Wed 18 June 2008 said... This supreme monkey sounds intriguing. Couldn't we just distract him with fruit?
		catfood on Wed 18 June 2008 said... i think they frown on the likes of dale winton - tho he's orange enough to pass as one
		SaleoftheCentury on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Hmmm, ok then up to a point. I have never met anyone who has served in the armed forces that I have liked. So from from my own personal experience, I have no respect for any of the people that I have known, who have joined up. And, this is where we do differ, but I cannot really appreciate how or why, I should respect someone who frankly is taught and chooses to learn, how to kill. Maybe they are necessary, i wouldn't disagree that the people who send them to wars are cunts but the bottom line is that if someone chooses, to learn how to kill out of idealism to do the right thing, why should I have respect for them?
		catfood on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Because them learning 'how to kill' - another flippant generalisation on your behalf mind you - means that you don't have to. Which is just as well because you do strike me as the sort who would sooner put a round through your own foot before putting one between the eyes of a villain.
		HeroicDose on Wed 18 June 2008 said... RIP humour.
		TheDuke on Wed 18 June 2008 said... How many thousands of innocents lives have been lost in Iraq at the hands of OUR boys. They didnt have any choice whether they were killed or not. They are the ones you should be saying RIP to. How can you anyone support an illegal war and call the soldiers that take part in it "heroes". They are nothing more that 'hired guns' fighting a war that as nothing to do with the security of this country
		tigertim on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Why the fuck would I ever have to kill someone in Afghanistan? War begets war. We seemed to have stumbled upon the Sun and Daily Mail opinions board. I do have family (not blood!) in the armed forces, that has fuck all to do with my opinion as whether or not they should be in Afghanistan, that just show you up as devoid of objectivity. There have been some fucking shit posted here. Can we not return the Heros section to a more flippant, less heavily right wing, shit tip.
		tigertim on Wed 18 June 2008 said... may post would make more sense if it hadn't taken so long for me to write, I should preface it with; Now 'catfood'
		catfood on Wed 18 June 2008 said... fuck you, im as fucking pansy bed wetting a liberal lefty as you are ever likely to find, but i won't succumb to your brand of 'fuck 'em, they made thier beds so lie in it, anyway i told em so' brand of fuckwittery, it shows you up as a right petty, spite ridden little turd.
		TheDuke on Wed 18 June 2008 said... The Wolverines were proper Heroes.
		SaleoftheCentury on Wed 18 June 2008 said... You make me laugh, on one hand you slag off the people who send the soldiers to war and then you talk about killing a villain, as defined by the people who send the soldiers to war. And as regards shooting myself in the foot, I probably would, and funny you should use that phrase actually, but go and do a google search on Pfc. Mauro, Pfc Carter.
		HeroicDose on Wed 18 June 2008 said... We could send out Pete Doherty to rapidly deplete the Taliban's heroin resources, thus rendering them economically powerless. Then drop a lone missile on his bloated head. Conflict over, no more loss of life. In fact a positive outcome.
		SaleoftheCentury on Wed 18 June 2008 said... The carter half of it that is
		FlangeMeister on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Fucking Ada-bit fucking heavy!I feel you're light hearted approach to inject humour into proceedings,HD,are somewhat futile.
		SaleoftheCentury on Wed 18 June 2008 said... It'll be over in a minute, Stunted has been grounded by his mommy, a couple of the others are at school and Catfood, well...........
		FlangeMeister on Wed 18 June 2008 said... SoTC,you sure are one antagonistic cunt.Well done.
		SaleoftheCentury on Wed 18 June 2008 said... My mom always said that to me, albeit without the antagonistic bit...
		Mohammered on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Stun you utter, utter prick. You sound thicker than a squaddie.
		tigertim on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Just read through all of stun's rant. Wow we are all so ill informed. I was going to paint a room in my house yesterday but I came up against a problem, i didn't want it white but I also didn't want the room to be black. I thought to myself, if only there could be something in between these two, you know, not quite black or white. Stun could you help me? Also just to add, the attack on the twin towers being reduced to handy date sized format is a disgusting indictment of our age, perhaps if this 'branding' hadn't of happened it wouldn't have been used so easily as justification for all action by the great western world.
		Geushky on Wed 18 June 2008 said... tigertim: Stun lives with me in a fire-trench so would probably not be the best to assist you in the decor of you cosy home. Branding is nothing new WW1, WW2 etc.
		Geushky on Wed 18 June 2008 said... *your
		tigertim on Wed 18 June 2008 said... No things have changed, past wars were named with reference to cause/place, these new branding or sound bite wars/events are abstract and owe more to film titles than giving information, 'A war on terror' it gives an emotive side to a war and also implies that anyone they fight against must be using the slogan 'A war on peace' The Falkland's war was a war in the Falkland's but doesn't state which side is in the, supposed, right.
		Geushky on Wed 18 June 2008 said... OK, lets just go with Magnolia then...
		tigertim on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Damn, I just went with black, I don't think magnolia will cover it.
		Mohammered on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Stun's in the Territorial Army, and the Sea Cadets. He also builds and collects model fighter planes and paints Games Workshop figures, and he has been known to point out all the innaccuracies in war films. ''Ha idiots they wouldn't have used an MFB16, they would've used an MFT 16...''
		stun on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Okay. I’ll confess. I’ve got no right to mouth off about the Armed Forces. Hey, I’ve only been serving since the middle of 1979 – what the fuck do I know, huh? I’m only in my third decade in uniform. I might as well get all my references from Mohammered (crazy name, crazy guy, readers, eh?) who, failing to get a response from his earlier bout of Tourette’s, goes for another side-splitting dose of Mogadon, namechecking the Games Workshop. Read into that what you will. Then there’s Stale, once again trying and failing to be anywhere near as witty and controversial as she needs to, openly admitting in a psychologist’s dream-series of confessions that she knows no one she likes in the Armed Forces (how hard have you tried, madam? Being butt-fucked and then fucked off by a couple of Royal Irish isn’t knowing the other 180,000 of us is it, shitlips?) and assumes that every single person in the Armed Forces is taught explicitly to kill people. That rules out about 75% of non-infantry troops, support regiments, logistic corps, field kitchen units, marine engineers, royal electrical and mechanical engineers aircraft support units, loadmasters, ground support staff, stewards, quartermasters ... the list is long and beyond the comprehension of a non-combative simpleton like Stale. Her assumptions of killing are as near-sighted as her comprehension on human psyche and the sheer impetus of foreign affairs. Yep, we are all equiGiven her value-system, and marking she fails to criticise any nefarious acts by fundamentalist organisations such as the Taleban – the organisation ousted and ranged against coalition forces, we can assume that the sole reason for UK forces to be in Afghanistan is to uphold the blood-lust of people who choose the service life simply to kill. How outstandingly narrow-minded and idiotic. As I say, you’d probably learn one or two things by speaking to service personnel about matters out there than opening up your fat gob to allow geyser after geyser of shit to flow forth. You clearly haven’t a clue, Stale. I could respect you in some way if you came out with a valid, understandable point, but in honesty, having put some fucking years in this life and got the medals for it, you are as contemptible as you are shit-thick. Your opinion is as pointless as your existence, and judging by your fucked-up logic and failure to research and uphold your opinion, I’m finding it hard to believe that when your mum agreed to have sex with Fido once upon a nightmare, you were the fastest fucking swimmer. And Duke, slot yourself in alongside Cunthole as the World’s Second Thickest Shitstreak. ‘Hired Guns’? Aye. Funny as fuck. So, when you are sat having a cheeky-pokey-bum-wank in your sister’s bedroom bestrewn with her underwear and the downstairs tenement catches fire and the firemen are on strike, make sure you ‘hire us’ to come round and hose down your costless belongings, eh? I suppose when some shithole place floods again, we’ll see you dangling from a helicopter plucking people from the roofs of buildings, will we? Frankly, I’d rather read of you dangling from your loft-hatch with a fucking tennis-ball in your mouth, you laughable twatmop. And tigertim, I say ‘9/11’, you say ‘twin towers’. Who is branding what, here?
		claire on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Can you stop referring to Sale as a woman. It gives us girlies a bad name.
		stun on Wed 18 June 2008 said... She is a woman, claire. Sad fact. It's bad enough that she was possibly once a man, as well.
		Geushky on Wed 18 June 2008 said... I know who I'd rather share a fire-trench with.
		MrPickles on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Not being funny, but when they join the army, they know they may one day be put in a position where they have to kill other people, they know whats happening, so stop defending a dead soldier, calling him a hero, when he obviously (like most soldiers) had complete contempt for human life beforehand....Stun, you are a complete cunt, you post massive rants that waffle on about the same thing, you back up your shitty opinions with assumptions about what people do in their free time and you insult people (in the irrelevant way), why dont YOU display some facts, and stop diverting attention away from your lack of knowledge with ridiculous slander.
		MrPickles on Wed 18 June 2008 said... (in the most irrelevant way)*
		stun on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Ah, Pickles. The doyen of empty-headed bullshit. What 'facts' do you want, you worthless piece of shit? What shit-stopping item of ingenuity can you bring to the party now? 'Soldiers know it's a dangerous job'? Do you work for the Ministry of the Fucking Obvious? Do you think that because servicemen pack the tackle to do the risky shit (unlike yourself, trapped in your underwhelming, over-opinionated and frankly inaccurate little universe) they fail to understand that it might involve their own lives now and then? I can bestow a 'fact' for you, right now. We are aware. Ta for that. What boils our piss is dickless cunts like you who fail to comprehend the sacrifice it involves, and sit holding your manhoods cheap (yeah, I'll paraphrase Shakespeare if you wish) whilst someone else does the nasty shit on the planet. I gather that should this great nation of ours face a more pressing threat within Europe you'll be down the recruiting office in an eyeblink? Save yourself the busfare, son. You'd probably never pass the fucking entrance exam, you hard-of-thinking knob-end. If you did, you'd probably be slotted by your own side.
		MrPickles on Wed 18 June 2008 said... 'Soldiers know it's a dangerous job'.....i never said that, i said they know one day they may be put in a situation where they have to kill other people, therefore they have contempt for human life....okay....you yet again avoided providing any evidence for what you believe about soldiers, yes what i said was obvious, but it was true...wasnt it! and yes they do put themselves in danger, but they also know they will end up murdering innocent people, does that make them heroes or complete idiots....im thinking the latter, and i will ask you again, please stop with your long-winded, pointless, avoidant rants....or is ranting like mental masturbation?
		MrPickles on Wed 18 June 2008 said... I just read your comment 'I gather that this great nation of ours'.....so its not personal beliefs its blind patriotism...aha
		Geushky on Wed 18 June 2008 said... When anyone joins the Armed Forces (especially at present) they are more than aware that they will face considerable hardships both within the UK and in any number of current theatres of operation. Even with that knowledge they sign on the dotted-line in defence of the UK to uphold the freedoms we all enjoy. I feel this makes them rather special and they will continue to earn my respect. Not all of the Armed Forces are psycho killers in waiting just looking for the next opportunity to unleash Hell. As with any large organisation there are any number of rogues, however these are very much in the minority (and are usually the younger element with something to prove). In my career I had the fortune to work with some of the most selfless, intelligent and genuinely witty people I could ever wish to meet. These are not just work colleagues they are true friends that would carry you off the battlefield when under fire in some dusty corner of the world fighting for the Government that many of you voted for.
		tigertim on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Stun, so you've been in the middle of a propaganda brainwashing machine for a while that gives you the perfect objective view. You are a cunt!
		tigertim on Wed 18 June 2008 said... When we voted it wasn't a party policy to blindly follow America into a war as soon as a good excuse presented itself. So we didn't vote to fight this war.
		MrPickles on Wed 18 June 2008 said... I didnt vote for anyone....i couldnt
		stun on Wed 18 June 2008 said... And you can tell me, fuckwit ... do you classify ALL members of the Armed Forces in with your wide-of-the-mark, secondary school comment about being murderers? All non-infantry troops? Or just the ones who come home and spend their days in Headley Court learning how to walk with prosthetic limbs and deal with brain injuries? Many of them who I have met have killed no-one. They were just victims of circumstance. Much like the squillions of kids murdered by your version of the front line (of which you obviously have absolutley no experience of) Tell me another thing as well. Since when has being faithful to your country been 'blind patriotism'? Don't try the Dr Johnson quote as well, please. I'd like to belioeve this nation is 'great', certainly better than some less-desirable failed states such as Somalia, Iran, Eritraea, North Korea and even some Second-World nations. The British people have created that, don't you know. They enjoy their freedom - the ability to opine and self-determine and even to vote. When we last lost sight of our purpose and reality, when we last forgot that as an island nation we need military strength to reinforce our selves, some bloke with a moustache came knocking. He was 22 miles away in the end. Think on, you fucking chimp. 'This great nation' didn't just give in then, did it? Or would you prefer we withdrew our 'murderous troops' and let the Taleban get back on with the job of indoctrinating Moslem kids and hacking off women's tit's because they have eye-shadow on? Answer this, please. I'm enthralled.
		stun on Wed 18 June 2008 said... tigertim. Almost thirty years of service has given me the complete opposite of what you percieve. Our meddling in the Middle East is misguided, strategically wrong and will only aggrivate a widening glbal crisis. Iraq and The Coalition of the Willing was a huge mistake. Afghanistan was an inevitability, and serves to rid that nation of brutality and torture on a sickening scale. There was nothing noble about the Taleban, save for their ability to turn the Koran into a Haynes Manual of disturbing tyrrany. As it stands, the country has had a vote, and the previously oppressed are living a better life than they were in 2000. So unless you take these little details into account (and sample some of the atmosphere, like) it isn't ME who is the cunt. Have a guess who is, though?
		stun on Wed 18 June 2008 said... tigertim. Almost thirty years of service has given me the complete opposite of what you percieve. Our meddling in the Middle East is misguided, strategically wrong and will only aggrivate a widening glbal crisis. Iraq and The Coalition of the Willing was a huge mistake. Afghanistan was an inevitability, and serves to rid that nation of brutality and torture on a sickening scale. There was nothing noble about the Taleban, save for their ability to turn the Koran into a Haynes Manual of disturbing tyrrany. As it stands, the country has had a vote, and the previously oppressed are living a better life than they were in 2000. So unless you take these little details into account (and sample some of the atmosphere, like) it isn't ME who is the cunt. Have a guess who is, though?
		stun on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Pickles = banged up in the Scrubs for sodomising goats. You read it here first.
		Geushky on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Whether you voted or not, we are where we are, and we must deal with reality. If we were to pull all the troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq do you seriously believe the UK will no longer be a target for extremists? You are as naive as you are misguided.
		stun on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Of course we wouldn't, Geushky. Moslems all over the planet would join hands and forgive the West for their big mistake. They'd encourage their friends in the oil-rich states to turn on the taps again and theorld would be filled with cheap, affordable energy. Hell, I'd wager the Madrasses in Pakistan would close tomorrow and all Moslems would consider the Koran a fallacy and turn themselves over to Jesus Christ. The Saudis would happily compensate the victims of '9/11' (see that, its a Trademark now!) and Prince Bandar bin Sultan would throw his hands up and admit some sort of nefarious connection with organising planetary crime and happily take his banishment to planet Zepton. Just like that.
		Geushky on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Stun: That's just how I imagined it; we must have been at the same briefing.
		Frowsy on Wed 18 June 2008 said... err ... so being there or not would not alter the fact that we are/could be a target for extremism ... so all a little pointless then no?
		Geushky on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Yeah, so it's probably best if you move to Bridgend.
		Frowsy on Wed 18 June 2008 said... live there already, tried 3 times but not the beams in my loft nor the nearby trees will carry my lardy arse for long enough - was thinking about a toaster in the bath but that's not 'in' these days
		Frowsy on Wed 18 June 2008 said... anyone else notice that the UK is currently the worlds biggest, most profitable arms dealer this year....?
		MrPickles on Wed 18 June 2008 said... I didnt say we wouldnt be a target for extremism, all i said was that soldiers are murderers with contempt for human life....jesus talk about irrelevance, and what the fuck has sodomising goats got to do with ANYTHING....i mean now your just insulting me for having a difference of opinion, the reason i couldnt vote is because i was 16 at the time....you are an avoidant fuck that needs to grow up.
		claire on Wed 18 June 2008 said... I'm against the war and Afghanistan occupation,but to see pictures of the dead soldiers, hear their families speak with such dignity or see those maimed struggling to rebuild their lives honestly brings tears to my eyes. Just as I also feel sympathy for innocent civilians caught up in this horror. To say " they knew the risks when they took the job" misses the point. Would you say that about a fireman risking his life to save someone from a burning building? Blame politicians for this bloody mess.
		MrPickles on Wed 18 June 2008 said... For fucks sake, how many times....no-one said anything about them knowing the risks of the job, i said they know when they join that they may one day be put in a position where they have to kill other people, thats no risk...that is contempt and blatant disregard for human life, and when these families speak with 'such dignity' they should remember that there 'precious, gentle' son has infact killed his share of innocent women and children.
		stun on Wed 18 June 2008 said... What a crock of year 11 shit, Pickles. Maybe when your fucking balls have fully dropped and you've seen some water flowing under that narrow bridge you stand on, you'll begin to understand. So, according to you: all military personnel join up with the solid notion that they will one day kill some cunt? Funny thing that, because when I stepped into the careers office way back when, all I wanted was a steady job, a good piss up, see some of the fucking world and to get away from cunts like you who grip my shit. Ask any other serviceman, and you'll kinda get the same opinion. While you're at it, ask any serviceman who has actually been involved in the deaths of combatants and innocents and try and gauge the depth of thought in there. I know you won't do that. You're hermetically sealed in your vacuous crusade to persuade the planet that everyone in uniform is a trained killer. I'll let you into a secret. I'm trained in the use of weapons. We're my life in danger or those of my colleagues, I wouldn't fucking hesitate. The training we have involves 'Rules of Engagement'. Woe betide anyone who fucks about with these rules. You see, we're not all like your mid-fuckingly stupid image of murderers. Pretend your freinds were in mortal danger, and you had a method of saving them. What would you do, sonny? Don't talk to me about 'disregard for human life' until you've stared in the faces of victims of roadside bombs (civilian and military, mind) and comforted their parents and relatives. You know fuck all, and have fuck all. You worthless piece of shit.
		stun on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Oh, and by the way. While you're sat at mummy's computer, pretending you control the world, try aligning 'avoidant' with my tack on what a pointless shitstain you are and have no fucking right to challenge the individual morality of military personnel. I think you'll find that 'this week's word' in 6th form is misrepresented. If anyone is 'avoidant', it it you, you chimp. Look up 'cunt', as well. And 'total and utter bell-end'. That's possibly you, that is.
		Frowsy on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Stun - fair enough, you guys do a difficult job. It's the "we're defending your freedom" bollox I can't stand - because you are not. Aligned to the fact that you believe your job to involve heroism in some from or other. Look at the situation in a different way, stay with me here: let's say your paymasters are not the government, but columbian drug barons and let's say you are their henchmen, defending their business interests and patch - the guys you're up against are a different bunch of drug barons, who have a different idea of how to run business and really want a bigger patch - a pitched gun battle goes off - who are in the right? which side would have heros? An oversimplification prehaps, but ultimately compareable
		Geushky on Wed 18 June 2008 said... Half-Term already?
		MrPickles on Wed 18 June 2008 said... So your going to debase me because of my age, real mature...well im 18 so i am entitled to my opinion....or am i not?.....i have every right to challenge the individual morality of each and every murderer 'serving' in Iraq...and how i see it is, you have no morality, you are not heroes, you are pawns in a game, but you chose to be pawns....a hero to me is someone who is selfless, someone who would put themselves in dangers way to save another person, all i see you murderers doing is putting yourself in harms way only to kill others......"all I wanted was a steady job, a good piss up, see some of the fucking world"....what really, so you was willing to join the army (which may involve killing people) because of your own selfish wants.....and another thing, as for your being in a combat situation with friends, fuck off!....you all joined up, what were you expecting an actual piss-up and a world tour.....get real, your basically saying that its upsetting to see your friends being killed, and its heartbreaking comforting the families, but what do you think its like for the families of those 700.000 dead iraqis, huh?.....oh right they are not human are they....haha silly me.....one more thing, can you tell me the point of this war?....or is it just the slaughter of near millions....infact the only war i can think of that needed fighting was WW2...so...have you fought in a war?......if so, any war you have participated in has been worthless, making you sir, a murderer.....i may be a shitstain, and quite young, but at least i havent killed another human being.....i
		stun on Wed 18 June 2008 said... What a fucking tube. Listen, junior. Are we talking about the Afghan situation here, or the Iraqi one? Both of these I have taken great pains to explain my poin